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Kanaka..I believe North Korea got their nucleur technology from Candu reactors. My point about 9/11 is that, it would have been harder for Bush to justify going into Iraq, if 9/11 had never happened. As I understand it, form day one in office Bush has been trying to find a way to justify invading Iraq.( it is a rumour and is just starting to weave its way into the press) The problem, however, with your conclusion, is it wasn't only the US that armed Iraq. Germany, France, Russia, China (there was even a company from Canada.), helped To arm Iraq. Everyone was selling them weapons. This is yet another reason why Iraq should have been solely handled by the UN. Footsoldier... I think the best way to fight terrorism is to fight poverty. The way to eliminate outside threats is educate people, to offer an opinion that may not be available to them in the own country. |
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Should have, would have, could have. We're there so let's help Iraq build and prosper.
It doesn't really matter who the insurgents are. Right now they are standing in the way of rebuilding Iraq. Let's try and understand their cause later when Iraq is healed. Again I'm sorry for civilian casualties but everything in history worth fighting for was paid for in blood. Would I want to see my son or daughter fighting this war? Of course not. I doubt if I could be objective if they were in the military and stationed in Iraq. I don't tie Iraq to 9/11. Saudi Arabia was probably more responsible than Iraq. But, Iraq has given us a front in which to wage part of the war on terrorism. If we weren't there they would still be under the endless sanctions that have kept them in poverty. Sadaam and his sons would still be torturing their own people. I don't tie this war to WMD's. That would be a bonus if we found and destroyed anything they have. And I don't tie this war to oil. Oh, and cheap oil? Those days are over. Trade in your SUV for a Toyota. Walk or ride a bike. I realize all these things have played some part as has thousands of years of Middle Eastern history, but the point is we are there now so let's get the job done. CS 
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Yeah, that's an idea that's been floating around since the git-go. The most damning indication to surface, of course, is Richard Clarkes account. Admittedly, his account is fairly recent. However, the sketchy justifications for the invasion alone set off ulterior motive alarms all around the world.
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Kanaka, does the lie justify the end result? If so, history will forgive it. And, I hate for young soldiers to have people tell them they might die for a lie. Let them have some pride in what they're doing and they'll have a better chance of making it home. While people are getting credit for whistleblowing and being right, the morale of the young military is being compromised.
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kanaka... until there are charges laid its a rumour. :wink:
It is hard to bring people in power to trial. They have the power and connections to protect themselves. |
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The military is a volunteer force that knows full well they may be sent to war. If they don't then they are naive, and I'm sorry for that. I don't believe their faith is blind. They get the news over there. They get intelligence we know nothing about. And, unlike us they are witnessing things first hand that we don't see. They are talking to Iraqi's that you and I won't get a chance to speak with and understand why the American soldiers are there.
I don't believe the Bush administration could have come out and said, "We are going into Iraq because it is a great strategic location for us to fight the war on terror on Middle Eastern soil. And, we can because that jackass Saadam Hussein has not complied with the UN, giving us the best excuse to get into that position. Yes, soldiers and Iraqi's will die. But, many more will die if we don't fight the war on terror instead of discussing it." Bush said that the war on terror could take years and people accepted that. But, when we went to Iraq, the questions started on why, and soldiers began to get killed and it started getting ugly. Well, I feel it's going to get uglier. Lies should not have been told to try and keep people behind the war. The truth should have been enough. Should those people be prosecuted? Maybe. CS :wink: George Bush to the American people, quoting Jack Nicholson, "You can't handle the truth!" 
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Come on now. Volunteer in the sense that they were not drafted. And, it would be worse if they were truly volunteer. At least they do get paid for their service. So it's not like they're doing this only for patriotic reasons.
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I'd call "volunteer" just a slight misnomer. I think it goes without saying that recruiters target predominately poor and disenfranchised minorities. Factor in the citizenship for service programs and such things as the Hispanic Access Initiative and a case could be made that recruiters are selling hope to the hopeless. There's 30 some odd thousand non-citizens on active duty right now IIRC. According to some critics, the US has a long tradition of using its underclass as cannon-fodder. |
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You mean our military has been scraped from the bottom of the barrel? 
Sorry about the sarcasm. I know downtrodden doesn't mean barrel scrape. But, many, many men and women have made a better life by joining the military. Their families have a better life. Many have gotten an education. The first in their family to get one. Some have died but their families have been taken care of. They want the job. Just like hispanics have come to this country and embraced jobs on farms to help their families. They are risking a slow death from cancer working in pesticides. Some jobs are dangerous but it's their choice to try and find a way out of poverty. The military is not a bad life. CS
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Socio-economically speaking, certainly. |
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Sorry, you missed my edit on that one.
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