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WolfenSS


Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Written Up on Easter Day!!!  

I have to say this was the lowest day in my life at Lowe's. I was written up on this day by my ZM. I had missed 6 days within the last 12 months of service. 3 of them was for family reasons and the other 3 were for me. I was informed that HR was following the corporate rules. I told HR that all I did for the store and get treated like this. She informed me that all people are getting wrote up across the board. She said that to many ZMs were playing favorites. I think its funny that 2 people that work with me have called in at least 12 times in six months, but no action is taken against them. I smell a big fat RAT within my store.
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Written Up on Easter Day!!!  

WolfenSS wrote:
I have to say this was the lowest day in my life at Lowe's. I was written up on this day by my ZM. I had missed 6 days within the last 12 months of service. 3 of them was for family reasons and the other 3 were for me. I was informed that HR was following the corporate rules. I told HR that all I did for the store and get treated like this. She informed me that all people are getting wrote up across the board. She said that to many ZMs were playing favorites. I think its funny that 2 people that work with me have called in at least 12 times in six months, but no action is taken against them. I smell a big fat RAT within my store.

So did your 6 days off during the previous 12 months effect your coworkers? Did they have to step in and cover your area? I'm with people getting written up for absenteeism when it is in excess. The company views anything more than 5 days in a revolving 12 months to be extreme. The exception is if you have surgery and are out for an extended time period. Then again Lowe's now requires that if that is the case you have to file with Liberty Mutual to be on an FMLA leave.
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Night Stalker


Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Posts: 90
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject:  

Absenteeism is absenteeism period. Did effect the co-workers? What does that matter? When one person gets written up for absenteeism and another worker gets by with more abusive absenteeism, without a word said, that is wrong! That happens in my store also. Rules fit some but not others. Typical in a non-Union enviroment. But what else is new?
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject:  

Night Stalker wrote:
Absenteeism is absenteeism period. Did effect the co-workers? What does that matter? When one person gets written up for absenteeism and another worker gets by with more abusive absenteeism, without a word said, that is wrong! That happens in my store also. Rules fit some but not others. Typical in a non-Union enviroment. But what else is new?

I agreee absenteeism is absenteeism. I agree that unless you are out on FMLA protected reasons you should be written up after 5. The problem is that some managers watch that like a hawk and some just don't even notice. If you have a chronic condition which is covered under FMLA (your coworkers may not know this, and it is absolutely none of their business) or worker's compensation Lowe's is unable to write them up for missing time.

The point I was making was that the original poster seemed to think that it wasn't a big deal to be out. When your coworkers have to step in to do your job because you are out it becomes a hassle for all concerned.
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WolfenSS


Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 15
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:23 am    Post subject:  

Skibunny, I do have a life and a family!! My little boy was in the hosiptail twice when I called in. I do believe family comes in first and formost. I have told Lowe's of my boys condition and they understand. I have shown up two work on two different days when my boy was the hospital and got lashing from the MOD for being at work instead with my boy. I told them I didn't want to call in, but they told not to worry about it!!! So tell me about your thoughts since you are worried Lowe's!!!

I work in a department that has several members know of my situation and understand. Within my department, I have covered for them and so on. Ny dedication is my family, my religion, my education, and then my job. If I stepped on your toes, didnt mean to.
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WolfenSS


Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject:  

Its been along day and sorry for the misspelled words!!!
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject:  

WolfenSS wrote:
Skibunny, I do have a life and a family!! My little boy was in the hosiptail twice when I called in. I do believe family comes in first and formost. I have told Lowe's of my boys condition and they understand. I have shown up two work on two different days when my boy was the hospital and got lashing from the MOD for being at work instead with my boy. I told them I didn't want to call in, but they told not to worry about it!!! So tell me about your thoughts since you are worried Lowe's!!!

I work in a department that has several members know of my situation and understand. Within my department, I have covered for them and so on. Ny dedication is my family, my religion, my education, and then my job. If I stepped on your toes, didnt mean to.

Yeah, long day. I am missing some of the meanings in your post. If your son has a medical condition could be that your time away from Lowe's may be covered under the FMLA. You may want to check into it since Lowe's will not seek you out to let you know that the protection umbrella of FMLA is available where needed.
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MacDaddy DC


Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 12
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject:  

skibunny -
how does one get authorization for fmla? Basically, who approves this?
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject:  

There are certain life events which qualify for FMLA. You must insure that your situation qualifies for one of those events. You then just go into HR and have them give you the paperwork. You then must have a doctor verify that you either have a chronic condition which will state that you may have to be off work intermittently, or say you're a parent and your child is chronically ill the time off will be intermittent. If you have an accute condition or a family member that you must take care of has an accute condition you simply need to have the doctor fill out the paperwork. This time off is unpaid of course and I can't remember if you get 12 or 16 weeks per revolving 12 months or not but it is worth looking it up online.

I know Lowe's doesn't want to let you know that by qualifying for FMLA job protection you won't be able to be written up. Most HR's won't mention it or don't even know how to handle that request. I do know that once they give you the paperwork you only have a certain number of days to return it to the parties that be. This protection is there for people who really need it while either ill or helping a loved one. I know I had to use it at a different company several years ago while my mom underwent chemo treatments. I had to take her to and from the doctor and hospital. Without that the company's illness or sick time policy would have had to let me go.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/regs/compliance/1421.htm
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Tao_of_Lowes


Joined: 20 Aug 2008
Posts: 54
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject:  

There's a good FMLA FAQ on myloweslife.com under the 'my worklife' tab and on the right of the page.
The HR doesn't handle the paperwork any more:

9.Q. Can’t my HR Manager/Coach or CSC Departmental Manager handle my FMLA leave request?
A. No, Lowe’s has partnered with Liberty Mutual to be the Company’s administrator for leaves under the FMLA and similar leaves under State-specific laws. Having Liberty Mutual manage both the short-term disability and FMLA leave process will reduce the amount of paperwork employees seeking short-term disability will have to submit. However, you must let your HR Manager/Coach or CSC Departmental Manager know that you are applying for leave through Liberty Mutual.

Also:
7.Q. What hours is Liberty Mutual available to take my FMLA leave application?
A. You may call to report the leave to Liberty’s call center at any time. The call center is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Please call 1-877-225-1740 to begin your FMLA leave application process or access Liberty Mutual’s web site (after 12/31/07) through myloweslife.com.
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shoepea


Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Posts: 26
Location: ny
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject:  

Boy...it was hard enough to go in on Easter when all the customers were nasty. (we didn't open early enough) but to get written up really sucks. The problem in my store is that only certain people get written up but if you have you nose up the SM or HRM' collective butts you get away with murder. we have a part-time head cashier who is ALWAYS late. She never gets written up because she flirts with the some of the ZM. Plus she always has coffee....skip the dunkin donuts and get to work on time.
Anyhow, to get back to my point...make sure you look at the correct labor board websites, know what the rules are because I really don't think some of the HR folks are up on things and they think we're not as smart as we really are.

Good Luck!
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jeffo


Joined: 13 Feb 2009
Posts: 18
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Written Up on Easter Day!!!  

[quote="WolfenSS"]I have to say this was the lowest day in my life at Lowe's. I was written up on this day by my ZM. I had missed 6 days within the last 12 months of service. 3 of them was for family reasons and the other 3 were for me. I was informed that HR was following the corporate rules. I told HR that all I did for the store and get treated like this. She informed me that all people are getting wrote up across the board. She said that to many ZMs were playing favorites. I think its funny that 2 people that work with me have called in at least 12 times in six months, but no action is taken against them. I smell a big fat RAT within my store.[/quote]

Well six days is a lot of days to call off over a six month period. What do you expect to happen calling off that much? Now if they did wright you up they need to hold everybody accountable to the same level.
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject:  

jeffo, it was 6 days in 12 months. Either way it is more than acceptable by Lowe's standards.
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jeffo


Joined: 13 Feb 2009
Posts: 18
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject:  

[quote="skibunny"]jeffo, it was 6 days in 12 months. Either way it is more than acceptable by Lowe's standards.[/quote

Lowe's is pretty veage on call off's, policy says anything excessive is grounds for disiplainary action, so it is up to the store manager to determine what excessive is for his or her store and hold everybody to that standard. I think it is 6 or 7 over a twelve month period for our store.
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject:  

[quote="jeffo"]
skibunny wrote:
jeffo, it was 6 days in 12 months. Either way it is more than acceptable by Lowe's standards.[/quote

Lowe's is pretty veage on call off's, policy says anything excessive is grounds for disiplainary action, so it is up to the store manager to determine what excessive is for his or her store and hold everybody to that standard. I think it is 6 or 7 over a twelve month period for our store.

That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You know employees from different stores talk to each other. Hey if one store manager is holding it's employees to a higher standard than other store manager is holding their employees that is discriminatory. Class action lawsuit waiting to happen. Watch and see.
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mdovell


Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 445
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject:  

That's not really discrimination. Discrimination would be if say it breaks down to race, sex, religion etc.

Lowes policy says no OT. But blue laws in my state dictate any retailer must pay ot for work performed on Sundays...thus lowes complies.

I've heard complaints on having more than three call outs or no shows in a given year...so go to six...that is pretty long
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:56 am    Post subject:  

mdovell wrote:
That's not really discrimination. Discrimination would be if say it breaks down to race, sex, religion etc.

Lowes policy says no OT. But blue laws in my state dictate any retailer must pay ot for work performed on Sundays...thus lowes complies.

I've heard complaints on having more than three call outs or no shows in a given year...so go to six...that is pretty long

Holding one person to a higher standard than another is discriminatory Mdovell.
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boardwalkties


Joined: 18 Jul 2008
Posts: 143
Location: Region 1
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject:  

skibunny wrote:
mdovell wrote:
That's not really discrimination. Discrimination would be if say it breaks down to race, sex, religion etc.

Lowes policy says no OT. But blue laws in my state dictate any retailer must pay ot for work performed on Sundays...thus lowes complies.

I've heard complaints on having more than three call outs or no shows in a given year...so go to six...that is pretty long

Holding one person to a higher standard than another is discriminatory Mdovell.

It may discrimination in a moral sense, but holding one person to a higher standard than another is not workplace discrimination that would warrant a legal remedy. You would be hard pressed to find a lawyer to take that type of case and successfully prevail in court, unless like dovell says, it comes down to race, religion, etc. issues. We're all different. Different people have different standards and principles which they adhere to.
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rwarchol


Joined: 07 Feb 2008
Posts: 210
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject:  

skibunny wrote:
jeffo wrote:
skibunny wrote:
jeffo, it was 6 days in 12 months. Either way it is more than acceptable by Lowe's standards.


Lowe's is pretty veage on call off's, policy says anything excessive is grounds for disiplainary action, so it is up to the store manager to determine what excessive is for his or her store and hold everybody to that standard. I think it is 6 or 7 over a twelve month period for our store.

That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You know employees from different stores talk to each other. Hey if one store manager is holding it's employees to a higher standard than other store manager is holding their employees that is discriminatory. Class action lawsuit waiting to happen. Watch and see.


So someone gets written up and all of a sudden Lowe's should get sued for it?
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skibunny


Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 497
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject:  

rwarchol, many companies have already been sued for disparate treament (I think that is the term for not treating everyone the same. Age is taking a toll today.) The original poster actually was upset that they were singled out instead of everything being the same for all. Of course the fact that it was on Easter made it worse.
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mdovell


Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 445
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:51 pm    Post subject:  

skibunny wrote:
mdovell wrote:
That's not really discrimination. Discrimination would be if say it breaks down to race, sex, religion etc.

Lowes policy says no OT. But blue laws in my state dictate any retailer must pay ot for work performed on Sundays...thus lowes complies.

I've heard complaints on having more than three call outs or no shows in a given year...so go to six...that is pretty long

Holding one person to a higher standard than another is discriminatory Mdovell.


Not exactly. A specialist has a budget a csa doesn't, a zm can get a ring bonus and a dm can't etc.

Higher positions have higher responsibility.
Not all stores are the same. For example most of the ones near me don't have a bullpen. With that being the case that's one less thing to do. So if someone was written up in say detroit for not putting something a pullpen well that can't happen here because it doesn't exist here.

Stores near me have different hours, mostly one has a extra hour on sundays for some reason. So if someone comes from a store that closes earlier and they get written up for leaving early that's not lowes fault as the hours are posted on the website.


You can't treat all the people the same way anyway since there's different titles and different laws in different areas. If one sm treats people different that's one thing. if two stores treat people differently then that's up to the sm's and maybe bring that up to the dm.
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