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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:43 am Post subject: Team Players | |
| I have been very concerned with all the fighting on this forum. We all go to work everyday and work in a team enviroment, with much diversity, personalities, different political views. But what makes in unique is that we are all employees, working for the same company, striving for the same goal to make a decent living for our families.Well that has been threatened the compan we once loved and trusted has turned on us. This is our team we need each other. My suggestion is leave our politcal views for the family table, and let us all get along | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Team Players | |||
this is a site for retail workers...we can't talk about work all the time or we will go nuts...it is a place to unwind from the harshness of the workday, which is why there were separate sections on this site dedicated to politics and other topics...and we don't all work for the same company |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:55 am Post subject: | |
| I just really hate to see it shut down like the last one. We are already seeing people post less and we have enough stress at work with points and paycuts lets just all get along and have fun. Try to avoid senstive subjects that push buttons | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:00 am Post subject: | |||
i think we, the sears employees, get along just fine...i believe the posting less is due to overmoderation |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:59 am Post subject: | |
| I agree with Unhappy's spin on this. We as a group get along just fine. ~GoodFella | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:19 am Post subject: | |
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I also must stand in agreement with the above sentiments.
And will add one for thought on "moderation". "It is certainly a very important lesson, to learn how to enjoy ordinary things, and to be able to relish your being, without the transport of some passion, or the gratification of some appetite."-Steele The older we grow, the harder we try, Ratchet Last edited by RatchetHead on Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:30 am Post subject: | |||||
I agree with 1314....we have a right to talk about things that we feel like....we also have the right to point out the political views of the site administrators. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:04 am Post subject: | |
| BG you are the one that points out to me the word acceptance when I get on my tangent about management. We just have to accept the way things are. Forget it its the way things are. | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:08 am Post subject: | |||
bodyguard wrote:
As much as i would like to agree with bodyguard, i have to say that on this site we have no rights. We do not have the right to say anything on this site. Why?, because we do not own this site nore contribute any finacial resources to this site. It is free for us to visit. We cannot say what we want or do what we want. Not saying it is a good or bad thing just stating the obvious. If we really wanted a place where we could have more rights and say exactly what we want, and have whatever rules we want we should open a sight ourselves and charge people a flat rate per year. Say 10 dollars a memeber per year. Just a thought. Untill then knowone on this sight has the right to do anything. True freedom is finacial freedom. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:08 am Post subject: | |||
This is definitely an option, but remember, someone must still assume the responsibilities of administration and the many hours of work which goes along with that responsibility. An administrator who is neutral on the company/union issues would be a must to be fair to all participants, right? But remember, you still cannot say or do just anything you want because the fact is, you are still obligated to the rules/guidelines of whoever is hosting the site. Some of you think the admin shows favoritism towards certains individuals on the forums. I would like to correct you in this regard, for I definitely know better than that. Does admin have their own views; of course they do; but from what I've seen, they have treated each of you without bias, and has given everybody an equal amount of shit! 
If nothing else, admin has brought the different factions within your group together and created a harmonius uproar instead of a fractious collage! At least this has proven all of you can agree on something! 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:03 pm Post subject: | |||
Acceptance is fine, Low. But dont you think everybody deserves to know the truth?????? |
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All very good points. But our point is that it is not fair to have one standard for us and another for Admin. Dont you think the rules should apply to all? If the answer is no, then that is fine but I think Slek should just say that he is above the rules. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: | |
| Hey, bodyguard, what is all this about? If you don't like it here... you know what you can do. One perfectly good site was ruined for us by some people who couldn't accept the rules. Please don't ruin another. I'm sure there is someplace on the internet where you'll be perfectly happy. I just can't understand why you bother coming here at all if you feel the need to criticize the host, moderator or administrator. | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:12 pm Post subject: | |
| i really don't get this whole arguement.... what overmoderation? it seems to me that there is still quite a bit of controversy here, arguements, etc, altho the tone of the posts seems much more respectful than the last forum. i can see restricting the duplicate posts....we do tend to harp on the same old thing. | |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: | |
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I'm not above reproach myself and have been corrected, or should I say "moderated", many times. I, in turn, have also dished out my two and a half cents regarding my views on certain moderating approaches. Then I moved on.
That's the key ... say your piece and move on to the next subject. It's fine to have a 27 page debate on the merits of stock ownership or politics or life in general. Where conversation and relationships break down is when those same 27 pages are spent discussing other people within the same group. Do that at work and you'll alienate yourself in a hurry. Doing that here is no different. Please remember why that other forum failed. It's not because people got all hot under the collar in general. It's because people started attacking each other. Once there is infighting among the villagers, that village is doomed. Let's not let history repeat itself. Let's encourage everyone to refrain from ad hominem attacks. Let's pick up the baggage and move on. It's about Sears, remember?! |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:40 pm Post subject: | |||
Still, if you dont like Sears why dont you find another place to work...I am sure you can find something you like.......sound familier????? I am sorry that this subject bled over from the "Feedback" section. I agree with Kanaka's excellent suggestion...it is a losing fight anyway. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:41 pm Post subject: | |||
that is complete bull..."some people" did not ruin the other site...the old admin was over his head with such a large site and didn't have the time to take care of it...that was well stated...obviously you missed it |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:54 am Post subject: | |
| Kanka very well said say what you mean but dont say it mean. Move on and get on to the next. I just do not understand this ability to just go on and on and on | |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 3:18 am Post subject: | |||
This I must admit was well put, execpt for the part of it being about "Sears". It is about all of us, from where-ever we come from, or are in life. Most that post here, I see as typical class "A" personalities. While some of the outhers are but looking and woundering about it all. But the judgement of a few, by less than, does seems a bit unfair. And most have done thier share to follow the PG`s. But one must understand, none are like one`s self. To forgive, and go on, is but the only requirement of life. To qoute - " Judgement is forced upon us by experience."-Johnson As to be said ' Try walking a mile in my shoue", Ratchet |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:07 am Post subject: | |||
the old administrator even said that it wasn't due to any users. he started the site in the hopes to one day donate it to a union of some kind, but then the whole thing just became too much work for him. there were a lot of users on that site and it just became more of a job then he wanted. |
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Just building blocks and all, was it not said in the beginning, that this was being done as a "hope of good will"? And that the "ownership" of the afore, wished us/you well in your own endevor, and that this was being done as a show of good will, and support? If I`m not mistaken here, that was and is, but this is to be, Ratchet |
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A "question" none the less, take it as nothing more,
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In reply to bodyguard using my phrase of "if you don't like it...", do you think I would have used it without realizing what I was saying? Give me a little credit. I was ticked off at reading more criticism against the way this site is moderated. I grabbed at the phrase that I know everyone here hates.
Sorry if I stepped on some sensitive toes, as noted by the reaction my posting received. I obviously am not paying close enough attention to see all this moderating that's going on, so I bow to you and the others who have more computer savvy. Excuse my paranoia that this site might be gone, too. Guess I'm one of the few who is grateful to have it at all, and I don't spend enough time here to see whatever it is all you complainers see. Guess I could live without it, after losing the original that meant so much to me. Just trying to hang on to some small connection with other people, but whatever happens, happens. I'll not be writing on this subject again, so those of you who need to, can say and do whatever it is that you think will cause the host, moderators or administrators to comply with how YOU want it run, and I'll just continue to check in daily to see if it's still here. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 3:07 pm Post subject: | |
| Stillthere I appreciate this forum very much!!!! I am just so confused why some try to act like the O'Reily Factor on here and stir up so much trouble!!!! Lets just move on like Kanka said and get over it! I mean turn on CNN while your chatting away in here and let it go, | |
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| down with old cat food. | |