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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject: Man desecrates U.S. flag | |||
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President Bush signs American flags for workers at Beaver Aerospace and Defense (link)
U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8 (g):
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:04 pm Post subject: by that | |
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If one were to take that code 100% literally, then every time a flag is draped over a coffin of one of our fine servicemen it would be the equivalent to desecrating the flag:
same code, from same link as Kanaka: "The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise." ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: by that | |||
If codes, statutes and laws were indeed taken 100% literally 100% of the time, this would be a better world in general. Why make a law or a code if you're going to pick and choose when and where you are going to apply it "literally"? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:18 pm Post subject: then | |
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Then do you agree that draping a coffin of a dead serviceman with a flag is a violation of the code also?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:19 pm Post subject: also | |
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Aren't you the one Kanaka who thinks illegal aliens should not be deported or jailed?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: then | |||||
If it boils down to following the "code" 100%, then absolutely.
No, I'm the one who thinks that illegal aliens should not be deported or jailed without due legal process. In the future, if you are going to use my own words to characterize me, please use all of my words. Thanks. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:42 pm Post subject: lol | |
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I didn't use your words Kanaka, I asked for clarification of your words as I did not remember completely. Thanks for clarifying it. Based on your clarification, I am very happy that you agree with me that the deportation and jailing of all those muslims rounded up after 9/11 was within the boundries you have set of appropriate action.
As to your feelings on the "code". I agree with you believe it or not. However, the code needs to be updated in my opinion. Similar to the way the anti-sodomy laws in many states needed to be updated. Of course, you also were against folks that practiced sodomy in state's that had outlawed it, as it was a violation of the "code", right? ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:48 pm Post subject: | |
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Yes to that last question.
I also agree that many laws and codes need to be periodically revised, keeping in check that no human rights are trampled on in the process. Then again, that opens a whole other can of worms, such as what constitutes a human right and what does not. Perhaps that is why so many laws and codes have remained unchanged since their inception - to keep a lid on that other can of worms. |
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There is an idea that I don't understand why they don't use...
Why is there no "exparation date" on laws? Say after 30-50 years the law MUST be reviewed and voted back in by the city council, congress, senate, etc. I mean, how many "Don't park your horse in your stable if you are a black woman after 5:00 pm on a Sunday" laws are still clogging up the books? We've all seen those endless "stupid and silly laws still in effect" lists people feel the need to forward to us every now and then.... why not have a way of "Spring cleaning"? This seems like a logical progression of the "checks and balances system"... Or do we actually have this on all laws, and someone would care to enlighten me? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: more interestingly | |
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Think of what our founding fathers expected. Do you think they expected a respected national organization like the California Bar Association to have the nerve to suggest that a new law be passed that only lawyers can practice law?
Do you think the founding fathers thought that our book of laws should be so large that people spend their whole lives trying to understand them? Do you think the founding fathers expected Congress to pass 100 new laws for every 1 law that is removed? I suspect not. ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:30 pm Post subject: flag | |
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Also from the same link Kanaka provided:
" No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform." Does that mean that Bruce Springstein wearing a red, white, and blue costume intentionally similar to the flag in appearance is a violation of this as well? Let's have at 'em! ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:32 pm Post subject: | |
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Yes.
I thought we already covered that point, Ickimore. If we're to take "codes" seriously, then Madonna should get the flag off her chest and Springsteen should get it off his crotch. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: ok | |
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OK, I just wanted to check, because I am a bit surprised. The stringent following of laws and codes is normally a conservative issue and not a liberal issue. As I have known you to be very liberal through your past posts, I was a bit confused about your support of a conservative ideal (things are black and white when it comes to law).
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:49 pm Post subject: I have a confession | |
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I have a confession to make. I am guilty of breaking the following law:
U.S. Code as of: 01/22/02 Section 2382. Misprision of treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both. The reason I am in violation of this law, is because I have specific knowledge that Sean Penn has commited treason, and I did not make it known to any judge, governor, or the president. The violation of the below law is why Sean Penn has commited treason: U.S. Code as of: 01/22/02 Section 2383. Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. Sean Penn gave aid and comfort to Iraq when he went on his Iraq tour earlier this year. I feel so much better now that I have confessed to my crime! ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:07 pm Post subject: hmmmm | |
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Kind of curious Kanaka on your take on this. Do you agree that I have broken the law by not notifying the proper authorities about Sean Penn? Do you also agree that Sean Penn has broken the law? How would you propose to deal with these violations of law?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:10 pm Post subject: | |
| Ickimore, if it were night time, I'd dismiss your adamacy to a few "cold ones". It is currently 2:10PM EST, I have no idea what you've been up to and what possesses you to pursue this Sean Penn issue. I don't even like him. | |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:12 pm Post subject: heh | |
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Kanaka, I never said you did like him. I was just wondering if you also believe that I broke section 2382 of the code, and if Sean Penn broke section 2383 of the code. Did we?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject: Sean Penn | |
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Sean Penn is also guilty of violating section 2381 of the code:
U.S. Code as of: 01/22/02 Section 2381. Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:21 pm Post subject: | |
| I think I won't provide links any more. That's what I think. | |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:24 pm Post subject: kinda tough | |
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Kinda tough to say: "If it boils down to following the "code" 100%, then absolutely." if you aren't willing to follow it when you don't like the result, isn't it?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:26 pm Post subject: | |
| I'm not the one not willing to follow the code 100%, remember? | |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:28 pm Post subject: maybe | |
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Maybe you forgot that response when I said, "I agree with you"
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject: | |
I did, thanks for the refresher. 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:32 pm Post subject: so.... | |
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so, you of course then are in favor of jailing Sean Penn for violating code 2381 and 2383?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:35 pm Post subject: | |
I am in favor of jailing him for making really BAAAD movies..... 
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