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My point in posting was to show that they are "boycotting" a stamp because is celebrates a Muslim holiday, not because of the attacks by the extremists. Everything else they put on there is just a disguise for what it really is. Hatred of Islam(or just arabs in general) and anything else that they are not. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject: whether | |
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Whether the word be Israel or Islam it matters little does it not? Or do you also justify the destruction of Israel? I never commented on the validity of the idea of destroying Israel or Islam, just that the idea of the destruction is wrong and creates greater wrongs all in itself.
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I don't usually get 'into' these converstions, but for this one I will make an exception.
I have seen this 'hate'email' twice before. It looked a little different, but the content still remains the same. Point 1 What we saw it the streets of those other countries was what was it front of the TV cameras, which can be deceiving. I have seen many times when things that were happening here in the U.S, were on TV and it sure made us look bad and it certainly didn't represent the majority of us. Point 2 Again, because this email is making the rounds it does not represent how the majority of people in the U.S. feel. (In response to the why do all Americans have to hate). The images we saw on TV of Americans doing terrible things to those who happened to look like Muslins after Sept 11, were but a very small part of this country, but when played out on TV, both here and abroad, it sure looked like it was the majority. Point 3 To quote President Bush, It is the 'evildoers' we must watch and stop wherever possible. Those of the Muslim faith are not to be considered evil just because they are Muslim, no more than all white people should be held accountable for the 'sins' of their past. I do hope that all Natives Americans don't 'hate', that all Black Americans don't 'hate', that all Jewish people don't 'hate'. But I do know that SOME of each of those groups do 'hate' and that is the point, SOME, but not ALL. Point 4 Most of us fall into some group that can be discriminated against. It could be because your are a women, a man, a child, overweght, sexual preference, religion, race, too short, too tall, blond, handicapped, long haired, tatooed, a Catholic Priest, the list goes on and on. Take a good look at yourself, and ask yourself how would you feel if it were you, and you knew that your intentions were good, and then you will be less likely to be to make rash statements about 'other people', because ultimately we are other people. JMO-JL |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:03 am Post subject: | |
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^^ Ahh... the refreshing voice of reason!
You should make more "exceptions" JustLooking. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:07 am Post subject: | |
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I disagree on one point in your views, I believe that a large percentage of people in the middle east dislike the US. I base this not only on watching television, but on the news agencies within the middle east, on the opinions expressed by the leaders of several middle eastern countries when speaking to their citizens, and on the information taught (as reported) within many of the religious school within the middle east.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:15 am Post subject: | |||
I agree JL....I wish I could have presented my aruguement like you did. We do indeed have enemies, but we need to identify them correctly. The charge of racisim is unfounded in most cases....it is a word used to inflame people.... |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: | |
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Ick,
No need to disagree, If you go back and read my post you will notice I never said a small percentage did not like us. I didn't say, so I'll have to assume I implied. To clarify: What I am saying is this, the percentage of people who do not like us is high, probably very high, but it still is not ALL, and as such we must seek out those that would harm us and of course defend ourselves, wherever and whenever necessary. But under no circumstances should any group of people judge another group of people by what some of them do. Now Ick, I was on the old RW and I am here. Not once have I ever replied to one of your posts, because you do have a tendancy to misquote and to inflame. Lets' not let that happen between us, because occassionally I do agree with you and would like to say do. But again, under no cirsumstances will I get into a 'pissing' contest with you. 'nough said' JL 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:40 am Post subject: | |
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Just, I agreed with most of what you said, I misunderstood what you were saying aparently, and you have corrected me. You and I are in full agreement on the issue. There is no attempt to get into a pissing contest with me. And please, you have just accused me of misquoting people. Name me one example of when I did that please without correcting my error upon being notified of my error. You have also accused me of being inflammatory. I would point out that more often than not, the opposing side has been the one who has inflamed and I have just refused to back down. Take your last two uncorroborated accusations against me. Some might call that inflammatory. Especially considering I responded to you in a very polite manner and never accused you of anything. I made a simple misunderstanding of your one point primarily because you did not comment within it as to whether you thought the middle eastern populus that hated us was in the majority or minority, but you went on to say, "I have seen many times when things that were happening here in the U.S, were on TV and it sure made us look bad and it certainly didn't represent the majority of us." In that follow up sentence you clearly used the word majority, so I mistook that word for also applying to your first sentence, in which neither majority nor minority was used. I explained my difference of my opinion in a non-abusive way I do believe. You then explained my error in a non-abusive way, then went on to follow it up with two unsubstantiated inflammatory accusations against me. I find this to be an attempt to inflame me. And as such, I find that you have engaged in that which you claim to dislike.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:46 am Post subject: | |
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Wow I have had too many adult beverages to understand that !!!!! LOL
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: | |
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ICK,
There is a first and last time for everything. This is the last. JL No need to reply 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:50 am Post subject: | |
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Thank you for letting me know you will not throw around unsubstantiated accusations against me in the future. I appreciate your admission of guilt, and if you were to apologize, I would of course accept it.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:52 am Post subject: | |
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OK boys...lighten up just a bit.........go to your corners
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: | |
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I'm not upset at all, I am gratefull that Just say the error he made in judgement and wanted to explain that it was the last time he would do it. I am very appreciative of that. What you think may be anger is actually appreciation for a fine upstanding and fair person.
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