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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:58 am Post subject: Should there be a law permitting assisted suicide? | |
| Should there be a law granting that people who are terminally be given the right to commit suicide if they no longer wish to live due to the agonizing pain of there illness??? | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:10 am Post subject: | |
| SM, you started the thread so it's your responsibility to take a position on the issue first. | |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:32 pm Post subject: | |||
I'll post my response after youstate your position, SM. 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:11 am Post subject: nope | |
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No. Assisted suicide should not be allowed. Yes, I know. You can bring up 5 or 10 examples of the quadrapalegic who has brain damage and no motor functions of anything, can't even hold his/her head up.
So then here's what happens. You make it legal, and then all of a sudden some bozo comes along that wants to die but keeps trying to kill himself unsucessfully. He sues some court somewhere for the right to have somebody help him kill himself. Then before you know it we now let anybody help anybody kill themselves. Then you got all kinds of murder cases where the gang member claims it was assisted suicide when he shot the guy in the head execution style. Just think of the legal disaster in 10 or 20 years after we make it legal. Scary thought. ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:55 am Post subject: | |
| Looks like I'm in the majority. I am pro-choice, that's the bottom line. | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:06 am Post subject: | |
| So you feel it is ok to kill the unborn....and to let humans take thier own life correct? But I sure bet you are not for the death penalty are you? (I am not stating how I feel on either issue BTW) | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:18 am Post subject: | |
| Yo're correct on all fronts, Bodyguard. I won't turn down a debate on either, as long as they are listed separately. | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:35 am Post subject: | |
| icki...it is not a simple case of just turning it legal...there would be a whole set of regulatory laws governing it, to be done under supervision by a licensed professional...it wouldn't be as careless as you describe | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:44 am Post subject: | |
| Just clip 'em if that's what they want. Don't let the law get involved. ~GoodFella | |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:06 am Post subject: | |
| If god does really exist why would god let people suffer so much? That is one thing i tackle with every day in life. I see so much suffering (people dying or in the process of (terminaly ill people) people starving in other countries (as well as our own). For the people who don't believe in assisted suicide what do you propose we do with the countless terminally ill people who are suffering on a day to day basis? Let them just tuff it out? | |
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There is no God. Does that help you. ~GoodFella |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:33 am Post subject: | |
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And within this we are doing what?
A slow one, or a shot to the head, would be my thought. Ratchet |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:18 am Post subject: | |
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I believe that anyone , who because of a terminal or untreatable condition, who feel that the quality of their life has diminished to the point it is unbearable, should have the choice. To die with dignity should be their right, with professional assistance. After all, it is their life, so it should be their choice. We allow our pets to die without needless suffering, even though they can't choose. We should allow people to decide not to suffer needlessly by their own choice.
By the way, the topic was assisted suicides, not the death penalty or abortion. Lets leave those to their own threads and stay on topic please. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:28 pm Post subject: | |
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Oregon has had this law in effect for a year, and with the exception of Asscroft trying to bud in, it has worked well.
Keep the govenment out of our most private choices. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:22 pm Post subject: | |
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If it was legal could you just see it..... Doctors would go to a 2 day seminar like they do now for plastic surgery..
Then I could just see it now" Assisted suicide Walk-ins welcome" |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:09 pm Post subject: | |||
Um. Yeah. Do you guys live on the other side of the planet that this is new to you? Or did you just hear some talk show guy ranting about it because Asscroft has taken an interest and think this is fresh meat? Oregon voters decided for this. Twice. Its amazing what happens when you let people decide for themselves. And actually, I misnoted the date-- the Oregon act has been in place for 5 years now. Here is the link to the actual law-- http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/127.html If there is one thing that this board makes glaringly obvious is that staes have different opinions, and that I why I am in favor of letting the individual states at least vote for thier own laws-- if the government can't find anything better to do then stay out of our affairs. |
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I agree that states should decide for themselves....but I wonder how consistant your opinion would be if say a state voted to outlaw unions?...The Federal Constitution must take precidance....... |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:38 am Post subject: Unhappy | |
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Unhappy, they said that abortion wouldn't be carelessly done either back when it was made legal. Look at it today, being used as a form of birth control where crack addicted mothers who don't have a clue who the father is can go get their abortion 100% paid for by NOW by making a phone call.
The point is, as I described earlier, it won't be careless at first. Until you get some case of some guy who wants to die but can't do it himself cuz he keeps chickening out or whatever gets his day in front of the Florida Supreme Court. The same court that said recently that 12 year old girls can get abortions without parental permission. So how do you suppose they would rule on that? My guess is they would say that terminally ill patients are getting an unfair advantage in the theater of assisted suicide.u Then you take a guess, how would it play out from there? ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Unhappy | |||
i don't know how it would play out...we can try it and see...i also believe something has to be done about all these people carelessly having children...after all, you need a permit to own a bird, but you can bring a new life into the world without asking anyone |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:49 am Post subject: stem cells | |
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You guys remember the stem cell debate a couple years ago? I bet you never realized it would morph into what it has? Where doctors in Europe are only a couple years away from being able to grow live human eggs from the ovaries of aborted fetuses. That's right folks! In a couple years we could have babies born that will someday ask who their biological mother was. Their father can politely answer, "Your mom was the non-human being that came out when your grandmother had an abortion, your mom has been dead since before you were born." Imagine the psychological ramifications of that!!!!!!!
Doesn't that seem to follow in the "slippery slope" theory that was most often applied by liberals to the policies of John Ashcroft? And in that vein, if John Ashcroft and the US Justice Department will be guilty of morphing our rights into non-existance, why is it so difficult to believe that a potential pool of thousands of judges can't morph the assisted suicide issue into that same "slippery slope" idea? ICKIMORE |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:50 am Post subject: | |
| I believe INNOCENT human life is precious. Yes I believe in the Death penalty for the GUILTY....no moral quandry for me there. Assited suicide? I dont like the idea of a doctor delberatly doing harm. Want to off yourself, buy a gun....but dont ask society to condone it. | |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:52 am Post subject: Re: stem cells | |||
we don't know unless we try...i think we are better off with abortion being legal...before it was legal, women would stab themselves in the stomach or go to glorified butchers that called themselves doctors in order to get their abortions...they are gonna do it anyway, ;et them do it safely, which leads me to another topic on which i'll open a new thread on...drugs |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: I don't | |
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I don't need to try killing people to know how it will work out.
ICKIMORE |
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