Should abortion be legal

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Do you think that abortion should continue to be legal in the United States?

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Should abortion be legal

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Well if you think it should be legal, why should it be legal even in the first place. What are your thoughts on it.

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Wow, this is just about the most divisive subject on the planet....I almost think this is not the best place for it. I know it is in a different forum, but it is just about over the top. IMO

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Well its in the right section (under politics) no subject is that over the top not to talk about in my opinion. So anyone else have any thoughts on whether or not abortion should remain to be legal in the U.S. ? Also is there anyone in favor of limiting abortions to more severe instances (such as rape or incest)?
Also technically if you have an abortion is it killing a human being or is it killing something that would eventually be a human being?

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Got tired.... really

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SM, if you were a woman, you would want to do what's right for you. Yes, abortion should be legal. No MAN HAS THE RIGHT to tell a woman what to do with HER BODY!!!!!!

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:02 am Post subject:

searsmatrix,

A key factor in a good, contentious, discussion is the ability of the topic starter to give the other participants *something* to argue about. Typically, this *something* is your own opinion on the matter.

Without your opinion (preferably based upon credible sources) to base the debate on, this topic requires nothing more than a "yes" or "no" answer from any willing participant. In other words, a yes or no question does not provide a good foundation for discussion.

Now, because this particular topic has the potential to become an informative and entertaining discussion, I'm not going to lock it... yet. Instead, I'm going to give you the opportunity to provide a thoughtful answer to your own question; thus getting this topic moving in the right direction.

Don't start a new topic. Don't edit your posts. In your next post, in this thread, answer your question and tell us why or how you came to that answer.

We'll start the discussion from there.

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Well I don't know. Let's really discuss the topic, shall we?

Let's assume the "women's right to do what she wants with her body" argument is a good one. Let's assume that a fetus is not a form of human life until it is existing on its own as a baby (as one would have to believe if you support the first assumption). Then Lacy Peterson's killer did not commit a double murder, he/she committed a single murder, and thus is not subject to a possible death penalty sentence. This is the stance of NOW, and it is a consistant position with one that believes a fetus is not a human life. When a wanted pregnancy is terminated by an attacker, this can not be charged with murder, but only with assault.

Now, let's really get down and dirty.......

John Kerry and John Edwards voted against the partial birth abortion law. Let's discuss what that entails. That means that when a fetus is taken to full term, the mother either naturally goes into labor or has labor induced, the fetus' head becomes visible to the naked eye as it comes out of the mother, and the doctor crushes the head and removes the various body parts out of the mother. As a matter of fact, a family is suing an abortion doctor right now, because of this procedure. See, their daughter died. When the doctor was pulling the body parts out of the mother one of the "sharp" pieces severely lacerated the mother, and she bled to death.

John Kerry and John Edwards, as well as NOW, think this partial birth abortion procedure should not be regulated in any way. Now all you pro-choice folks need to see what your position actually entails. Try sitting in on a birth of a baby sometime. But with a twist, as the baby is being delivered, watch the doc deliver the killing blow, and then pull the pieces out and throw em in the garbage. Then tell me if you support John Kerry or John Edwards or NOW or any of these radical pro-choice ideas.

ICKIMORE

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:08 am Post subject:

Icki: why would anyone wait so long to have an abortion that such a procedure was necessary?

Do you think they "just didn't get around to it?" Or do you think it was because, late in the pregnancy, complications appeared that would threaten the life of the mother or viability of the fetus and the risk of continuing the pregnancy was greater than the risk of this admittedly dangerous procedure?

The partial birth abortion bill contains no exception for medical necessity. It would be useless if it did, because practically the only time such an operation would be performed is in case of medical necessity.

This law is the thin edge of the wedge.

I continue to support NOW, I continue to support the Democrats and I continue to support a woman's right to make medical choices about her own body, in consultation with her doctor, without interference from my meddling local congressman.

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Oh I don't know, why would somebody wait so long to have an abortion that such a procedure would be necessary? Maybe the crack adict mother finally realized that NOW would pay for her abortion. Maybe the father left during the pregnancy so the mother changed her mind.

The bill contained a provision for allowing it if the life of the mother was at stake for not doing it, but Kerry and Edwards and NOW wanted non-life threatening medical reasons to be allowed as well. I just don't think it is worth taking a life unless it means saving another person's life, and that is just not what NOW believes.

What NOW believes in is the ruling in Florida they just fought for. The Florida Supreme Court just voted that children of any age may have an abortion without getting the permission of a parent. They cited a Florida law that said parental permission is only required for certain activities if the activity is deemed potentially damaging to the child. Their ruling was that abortion was not potentially damaging to the child, so parental permission is not needed they decided. The case decided on was in reference to a 12 year old girl that wanted to have an abortion without telling her parents first.

ICKIMORE

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o.k. i think abortion should be legal, but with some councelling or conditions. the parents of a minor MUST be notified. i would be crushed as a parent to find out my daughter went thru this with out my support. some other things to consider.....

what about the FATHERS rights here? what if the father wants the baby and the mother doesn't? what about having the father assume full responsibility for the baby and forcing the mother to give birth?

how many abortions should a person have? what about instituting some type of required birth control after an abortion? an IUD? i'm sorry, i just don't believe a person accidently gets pregnant 4-5 times needing abortions.

late term abortions should only be done for medical necessity.

what about some councelling prior to an abortion? watch a movie, talk to some mothers who had it done.

i really think that if a woman or man is actively using birth control and a pregnancy results, abortion should be allowed. also in the case of rape.

the bottom line is sex may result in pregnancy (not to mention the plethera of diseases out there). if you actively engage in sex without protection of some type, you are asking for trouble.

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SearsEmp, a very thoughtfull reply...if I may add one thing. I think that abortions could be virtually stopped just by personal responsibility. Radical views on this issue are rampant. Some in the radical feminist movement seem to be saying that abortion is a good thing.....on the other side you have the people murdering abortion doctors.......they are both sickening. Look, a fetus will grow into a human being, not a dog or cat. Abortion for the RARE reason of medical reasons or rape probably should remain legal (though in all cases the baby is innocent) Abortion for birth control is disgusting.....it is all about personal responsibility......think before you screw. Live with the consequences of your decisions.....

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Choice should be legal.

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:47 am Post subject:

i would NEVER support a bunch of hypocrits like NOW. How could someone support an organization that will help women integrate into the "man's" world, when they themselves deny men membership into their organization?

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Fact is, NOW did not help a single person that claimed Clinton committed any sexual impropriety with them. Throughout their history, NOW has fought that the very charge of sexual misconduct should always be taken seriously. But then they did not choose to take it seriously when it was put forth several times against somebody they otherwise liked. Therefore, NOW are indeed hypocrits in my opinion, and should always be looked upon with disdain.

ICKIMORE

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