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Bodyguard
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:30 am Post subject: The CIA and the Administration
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Here are a few facts about what Tenet said about WMD's.
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In response to a question, he said he did not think the administration had misrepresented facts to justify going to war.
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The subject of discussion is this. Do the CIA's own words prove that the administration lied about pre-invasion intelligence?
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| Mr. Tenet has acknowledged that intelligence agencies may have made misjudgments in their prewar assessments of Iraq, which expressed certainty that Mr. Hussein's government possessed chemical and biological weapons and was reconstituting its nuclear program. In the year since the American invasion, no evidence has been found, though Mr. Tenet insisted again on Tuesday that it was too soon to draw firm conclusions about the extent to which intelligence agencies erred |
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| At the same time, as director of central intelligence, Mr. Tenet, who has been in his post since he was appointed by President Clinton in 1997, is widely seen as having the responsibility to prevent intelligence from being distorted for political purposes, and he seemed intent on defending himself and his agencies in that regard |
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When asked whether he had sought to correct certain administration statements, including some that portrayed Iraq's arsenal as carrying the danger of a "mushroom cloud," he said, "I'm not going to sit here today and tell you what my interaction was and what I did or what I didn't do." But he added: "You have the confidence to know that when I believed that somebody was misconstruing intelligence, I said something about it. I don't stand up in public and do it. I do my job the way I did it in two administrations.
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I submitt the entire article for review
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/10/politics/10INTE.html?ei=5062&en=f6e987766c1b0736&ex=1079499600&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
I also submitt this in response to articles posted supposedly showing that the Administration lied about the views of the CIA.
One last point in support of what I had said before in another thread....a point wich was ridiculed over and over.....
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"And policy makers — you know, this is a tough road. Policy makers take data. They interpret threat. They assess risk. They put urgency behind it, and sometimes it doesn't uniquely comport with every word of an intelligence estimate."
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Bodyguard
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:23 am Post subject:
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Wind blows.......tumbleweeds roll..........the sun beats down on an empty street......
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:
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Sigh.....not even one response from those who stated that the CIA thought the Admin distorted evidence? As one who has been accused of running from a fight, I find the lack of response very ironic.
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USA#1
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:05 am Post subject:
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Ya know, I'd figured that slek would respond to this one. So, slek, how about it?
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Bodyguard
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:45 am Post subject:
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Here is a great debate on the issues of the Iraq war .....
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Mowbray: I believe what we have here is an "admission." David admits that the president--in all his many comments, speeches, and interviews--never did use the word "imminent." Well, I'll go one step further: Bush actually made very clear that we wanted to take out Saddam because the threat wasn't yet imminent, but that only a foolish nation would wait until the threat reached that level. And yes, Bush talked repeatedly about Saddam's past behavior as adding to the justification for deposing the despot.
Corn: Joel, go back and reread my reply. It is clear that Bush presented Iraq as a direct threat that had to be taken care of immediately, that there was no time to waste, that the United States could not afford to give a more intrusive inspections process another few months. Why? Because Hussein had WMDs--not weapons programs, as he disingenuously said in his recent State of the Union address--and was firmly allied with al Qaeda. So far, the evidence does not confirm either proposition. Don't get hung up on the I-word. Look at all his comments
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12217
Take a look at the rest and maybye this will provoke some discussion.
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CCCs
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject:
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| "Iraq's actions pose a serious and continued threat to international peace and security. It is a threat we must address. Saddam is a proven aggressor who has time and again turned his wrath on his neighbors and on his own people. Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people. . ." |
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| "It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world. . . ." |
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| "I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior, which is at the core of the cease-fire agreement, with no reach, no stretch, is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary." |
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| "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next 5 years. He could have it earlier if he is able to obtain fissile materials on the outside market, which is possible-difficult but possible. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress that Saddam Hussein has been able to make in the development of weapons of mass destruction." |
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| "I believe that Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime represents a clear threat to the United States, to our allies, to our interests around the world, and to the values of freedom and democracy we hold dear.... Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam's arsenal, and there is every possibility that he could turn his weapons over to these terrorists. . . . We can hardly ignore the terrorist threat, and the serious danger that Saddam would allow his arsenal to be used in aid of terror." |
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| "I have seen enough evidence. I don't know if I've seen all the evidence, but I've seen enough to be satisfied that there has been a continuing effort by Saddam Hussein since the end of the Gulf War, particularly since 1998, to re-establish and enhance Iraq's capacity of weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological and nuclear." |
All of these quotes were made during the run up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. Sounds like statements made by the administration trying to justify their future action. However, these quotes come from (listed in order)
1. Senator Daschle in February 1998
2. Senator [John] Kerry [D-MA] in October 2002
3. Senator Kerry in October 2002
4. Senator [John D.] Rockefeller [D-WV] in October 2002
5. Senator [John] Edwards [D-NC] in September 2002
6. Senator Bob Graham [D-FL] in December 2002
Here is a great rebuttal by Sen. John Kyl to those that claim that the administration "sexed up" the data and misrepresented the intelligence to justify the case of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Case for War
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