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It's already been established that "right" and "wrong" are measured using a number of factors. To name a few: 1) circumstance 2) result 3) intent If ya wanna to get legal, you can throw in "precedent" as well.
Who cares? It has absolutely ZERO bearing upon this topic. The question was; are morals relative or absolute? Your focus on perceived motivations does not address the question.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:06 am Post subject: | |||
you could also throw in mental capacity. the right or wrong test and diminished capacity test both hold up in court. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:14 am Post subject: | |
To slek and siggy - 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:54 am Post subject: | |||
I totally agree, fair is fair. 
What may be just a pen to you may be someone elses' lifeline. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:33 am Post subject: | |
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A person is in trouble - serious trouble - the person is despondent, suicidal - the person has a firearm - I decide to take (steal) the firearm - the person asks if I know of its disappearance - I say no (I lie) - right or wrong?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:46 am Post subject: | |||
There is no absolute right or wrong IMO. What there is, are a series of measurements society uses to keep everything within the bounds of general civil acceptability. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:26 am Post subject: | |||
Wrong. Under these circumstances lying provides no tangible benefit to either party. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:53 am Post subject: | |
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If you borrowed the pen in the owners' presence, returned it very shortly thereafter and there were no qualms in between, then it should be okay. If, however, you perceived a "dirty" look from said "acquaintance", you should return the instrument promptly and never resort to such practice again.
Friends will be friends, but when it comes to property "ownership", all rules go out the window and you must feel your ground out before trodding on it. Humans are funny that way, even online. I've never been funny that way, always been "easy", but that's just me. 
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